From the 2011 testimony of Ira Isaacs, who was found guilty of obscenity in April, on charges relating to four videos he distributed through his company Stolen Car Films. Michael Grant is an attorney with the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.

michael grant: These films, it’s a fair characterization that they’re sexually oriented. Correct?

ira isaacs: Yes.

grant: And the films involve sex acts incorporating some form of feces, urination?

isaacs: Yes—well, can I back up? Even though there’s sex, that’s not the point of these films. It’s incidental.

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